office and he lives it, but by being so cerebral, he puts himself, people -- he's not grabbing people. he's not like joe biden going around, hey, what are we doing here? what do you think? >> i had the chance to ask david axelrod today in an interview i taped earlier today about a line in this book. let's hear what he had to say. >> good. >> i just want to ask you, one line involved in woodward's book where general petraeus is quoted after being in a briefing with you, he's quoted as calling you a complete spin doctor, did you take that as a compliment? >> i did, indeed, because as i've said before, general petraeus is probably as good as they come on television, and you've seen him. you probably interviewed him, he's masterful, if he's bestowing that mantle on me, i take it as a compliment. >> bob, quickly, before you go -- >> one spin doctor to another.